Elton John: It's Lonely at the Top
Captain Fantastic reveals secrets of songwriting, rock stardom . . . and who he's sleeping with
Elton John walked shyly into the corner room of his sprawling suite
on the tenth floor of the Sherry-Netherland Hotel, delivered a
bone-crushing handshake and assumed the middle of a white sofa. He
rarely does interviews and when his eyes, behind blue-tinted
glasses, look away, they reveal his discomfort. His show in Madison
Square Garden the night before (August 17th), with its dancing
bananas and flying trousers, was the big finish to a sellout
sixteen-day swing through the East and, by report, marked his
farewell to the road for a long time, maybe even for good.
"It was a pretty weird night, a very sad occasion, I must say.
It came to the point where I sang 'Yellow Brick Road' and I
thought, 'I don't have to sing this anymore,' and it made me quite
happy inside." He sighed and ran a finger along the coffee table
edge. "Yeah, it could be the last gig forever. I'm definitely not
retiring but I want to put my energies elsewhere for a
while. Y'know, I feel really strange at this particular point in
time, I always do things by instinct and I just know it's time to
cool it; I mean, who wants to be a 45-year-old entertainer in Las
Vegas like Elvis?"
Five days earlier, Elton had taken over the DJ's chair at a
radio station here to blast critics for reviews that quibbled with
his popularity and lack of musical significance. He attacked John
Rockwell of the New York Times with special relish, on-air
calling him an "asshole." And what had set him off that day?
"One glass of Dom Perignon. I was drunk and feeling goosey. I
just thought, 'Oh Christ, what an outrage.'" He shot an unsure
glance my way, then returned his eyes to the coffee table. "Really
took over, didn't I? Don't remember half the things I said. I doubt
if John Rockwell was even at the concert. It was the most piss
elegant review I've ever seen: 'Performers come and go but
we rock critics who have to deal with them . . .' I
thought, 'Who the fuck is John Rockwell!'"
Everyone said how shy Elton would be. But, always the consummate
recording expert, he played my tape machine on the table so that
later the playback was warm, lively, fun. No hint on it that Elton
barely stirred from his spot on the sofa, or rarely looked this
way. It is some flip side of his personality that gets him to
boogieing atop white pianos in spangles and feathers.
But by the time two Perrier waters were delivered to us, the
talk had loosened up -- considerably. We ranged freely over
sensitive matters, loss of privacy, his sex life, love frustrations
and the paradoxical kind of isolation felt by very popular
entertainers.
What do you do hiding here in a hotel suite all these
weeks?
"Dusting, Hoovering, polishing . . . ha ha. [Elton has a
ready chuckle.] Naw. I go to bed after a show. I'm not one to
go clubbing. I used to but I'm too tired now and usually just play
records or watch TV. I went dancing one night at 12 West [a
downtown members-only gay disco] and that was great fun. Everyone
left me alone. They were so into their disco records and passing
their poppers. If the Queen of England had been standing in the
middle of the floor with a tiara on her head, nobody would have
paid any attention."
Is the band breaking up?
"The split is completely amicable. [Sigh, finger along the
table again] It's silly keeping them under contract for a
year, because, ah, I might never work again. On the other hand I
might, but I don't want them hanging on, or any restrictions around
my neck. I can foresee when I come back, we'll get together again.
But now they'll all be going off doing their own thing, forming
their . . . I don't know what they'll be doing. But I'm sure they
won't be inactive."
Neither will he. After a dignified solo piano concert ("possibly
in tails") at the Edinburgh Cultural Festival September 17th, he
says, he will resettle his house in Windsor, near London, and get
down to a full plate. As he polishes off Blue Moves, a
double album for November release, he will produce an album for
Kiki Dee. He and lyricist Bernie Taupin are putting together a
full-length cartoon feature of their autobiographical Captain
Fantastic and the Brown Dirt Cowboy, and there is talk of his
playing the title role in a projected film version of
Candide, the recent Broadway musical. And he will be
looking after the Watford Hornets Soccer Club of which he is a fan
and the proud director.
I remind him that five years ago he said nobody stays on top
more than three years, and that he planned to quit working hard
while he was ahead.
Are you at that point?
"Yes, there has been a peaking. Every artist comes to the same
crossroads and they either cross it or they don't, and if they do
they're going to come to another crossroads. I'm at that second one
as far as recordings go, and hopefully I can cross it with Blue
Moves. It's got a few surprises. Melodically I attribute it to
the Elton John album. Lots of slow, romantic songs and
jazzy-type things in there. Three instrumentals. But who knows, I'm
not worried. That's the fun of it."
Have you included disco pop like "Don't Go Breaking My
Heart"?
"No, no way. That's a complete one-off single. I was messing
around in the studio one day on the electric piano and came up with
the title line. I made a hasty phone call to Barbados and said,
'Write a duet,' and Taupin nearly died 'cause he'd never done one.
It's very hard anyway."
Bernie and Elton wrote the current Number One single under the
names "Ann Orson" and "Carte Blanche," with Elton for the first
time doing part of the lyrics.
"I'd like to branch out into words. I never had the emotion in
me to get it to sound right, but I think it's beginning to come. I
used to be terribly 'moon' and 'June.' I've encouraged Bernie to
work with other composers too, why not?"
There was a decline in sales of his last two albums. Elton, the
marketing man: "Fantastic did about 2.8 million [units
sold]. Rock of the Westies about 1.9 million. Here and
There, the live album -- a total fuckin' disaster -- was to
finish off a contract and it's done better than it deserved to, oh,
about 860,000 copies. I think a lot of people liked the old band --
Nigel and Dee really had their fans -- but I don't regret
Westies one instant. Fantastic was an easy thing
to market and was selling well. Westies came out very soon
afterward; but I knew I was taking a bit of a gamble and it was
like, oh, here comes another Elton John album!
[laughs] So soon. A lot of critics said it didn't have
much depth to it and probably it doesn't have much depth
to it. I kinda like it. Greatest Hits is on the charts
still. I think it's 5 million copies now.
"'Bennie and the Jets' did about 2.8 million, and there's very
few singles selling 2 million. 'Philadelphia Freedom' did 1.7, I
think. Those two crossed over R&B . . ."
Talk of album grosses gives me a sense of deja vu -- it's
something to do with this room we're sitting in. What is it? Elton
is hunched forward, elbows to knees, feeling much better now,
talking into the mike as funny little likenesses of his face watch
us from a dozen gewgaws around the room. They are handmade gifts
sent by fans, propped up on the mantle and tabletops: Elton smiling
in oil and in tempera, Elton singing in Crayola and needlepoint,
Elton carved in -- then it comes to me. I'd been here in Suite 1005
before, a few times during the period David Bowie came to America
for his Diamond Dogs tour and camped out in these six
rooms leased by MainMan, his production company, for one year at
$60,000.
MainMan's mysterious chairman, Tony De Fries (whom Bowie later
broke with amid injunctions and lawsuits), liked to sit at the
windows on Fifth Avenue, enthroned behind a fake Louis XIV table,
phoning transatlantic and spouting his grosses. Cherry Vanilla, the
porn poetess, liked the floor by the fireplace. Mick Jagger
supposedly liked the Plaza across the street but he and Bowie sat
where Elton now sits and giggled about him, about "Fat Reg," the
session musician they knew of from the early days in London.
Currently, Bowie appears to be trying to start up a feud in
Playboy, admitting in an interview that he had referred to
Elton as "the Liberace, the token queen of rock." Says Bowie, "I
consider myself responsible for a whole new school of pretensions
-- they know who they are. Don't you, Elton?"
Elton: "He was obviously a little high when he did it. David's
one of those people of the moment. I mean, what is the fashion this
week? What's it going to be next week? His insults to me go by the
board. I think he's a silly boy."
What's a "new school of pretensions"?
"I've no idea. God, I mean, I happened before he ever happened.
Bowie's a little crazed, I think. I didn't understand half of the
things he came out with. Heavy things about 'the rock scene,'
y'know? Boring shit.
"I first met David when I took him out to dinner when he was
Ziggy Stardust. We had a nice time, y'know? He was with Angie and I
was with Tony King, who's now with Rocket Records. And all I
remember is his horrible manager walking in with half the cast of
Jesus Christ Superstar and they all had dinner and left me
to pay the bill. I had the feeling then that David was in for a
hard time. [Meaningful glance]
"The only other time we met was at Dino Martin's party when I
was with John Lennon and David was so stoned that I don't think he
remembers. He was out of it completely. I don't think I've seen him
since. We really can't say we have a feud going, although he
obviously doesn't like me very much. I'm not being bitchy, I just
think . . ."
A stout chambermaid had come silently into the room and stood
over the coffee table, taking her time buffing empty ashtrays.
Noticing this, Elton stopped in midsentence and grinned, then
cocked his head in a way that said, "Get her? Eavesdropping on el
rock & roll star, eh?"
Elton, I hear you can't get any peace or privacy in
New York anymore . . . (The buffing stopped.)
"Yeah, that's part of the reason I'm getting out. I mean
stopping concerts for a while. I'm getting so cheesed off.
[Exit maid. We laugh.] A couple of years ago I could deal
with three or four fans outside the hotel and walk off down
Lexington Avenue. Now it's impossible. I can't cope. I don't want
to end up my life like Elvis. I want to be somebody who's active
and involved with people and that means going outside. I've been
stuck in this hotel for two weeks and it's driving me cra-zee. I
even tried disguises but I have one of those faces and it just
doesn't work. I went to an amusement park on the tour and fifteen
people surrounded me for protection. I felt like the Pope."
Were you really slammed against the wall at a Shirley
MacLaine concert?
"No, that happened when Divine took me to Crisco Disco.
[Divine is the name of a well-fed drag queen who acts in
underground films and Crisco Disco is a Manhattan gay bar, so named
for the frying oil which is also a popular sexual lubricant.]
We went in and they looked at us. [He demonstrates with his
open-mouth trademark leer.] Everyone in New York wears jeans
or fatigues and I had one a striped jacket and the guys said, 'What
the fuck is this, Halloween?' We couldn't get in so I was a bit
high and really pissed off, and I threw an ashtray. Anyway it was
printed in the London Daily Mail that I was pushed against
a wall and got beaten up and caused a fuss. But at the Shirley
MacLaine concert, photographers knocked over an old lady and trod
on her to get to me. I'm really, really cheesed off at all this.
People say, 'Well, fucking hell, he created the problem himself,
didn't he?' Yes, I did because I was too silly not to see it would
get to these proportions. I mean, I never wanted to do this in the
first place. I only wanted to be a songwriter . . ."
He leaned back in the sofa for a moment, studying me with his
big, shortsighted eyes. There are certain questions I'd promised
myself I'd ask.
Can we get personal? Should we turn off the tape?
"Keep going . . ."
What about Elton when he comes home at night? Does he have
love and affection?
"Not really. I go home and fall in love with my vinyl . . . I
suppose I have a certain amount of love and affection as far as
'affection' goes. From friends and stuff. My sexual life? Um, I
haven't met anybody I would like to have any big scenes with. It's
strange that I haven't. I know everyone should have a certain
amount of sex, and I do, but that's it, and I desperately would
like to have an affair. I crave to be loved. That's the part of my
life I want to have come together in the next two or three years
and it's partly why I'm quitting the road. My life in the last six
years has been a Disney film and now I have to have a
person in my life. I have to -- Let me be brutally honest
about myself. I get depressed easily. Very bad moods. I don't think
anyone knows the real me. I don't even think I do.
"I don't know what I want to be exactly. I'm just going through
a stage where any sign of affection would be welcome on a
sexual level. I'd rather fall in love with a woman eventually
because I think a woman probably lasts much longer than a man. But
I really don't know. I've never talked about this before. Ha, ha.
But I'm not going to turn off the tape. I haven't met anybody that
I would like to settle down with -- of either sex."
You're bisexual?
"There's nothing wrong with going to bed with somebody of your
own sex. I think everybody's bisexual to a certain degree. I don't
think it's just me. It's not a bad thing to be. I think you're
bisexual. I think everybody is."
You haven't said it in print before.
"Probably not. [Laughs] It's going to be terrible with
my football club. It's so hetero, it's unbelievable. But I
mean, who cares! I just think people should be very free with sex
-- they should draw the line at goats. Shirley MacLaine said the
right thing to Tom Snyder on TV. She said, 'Oh c'mon, Tom. Let's
stop al this stupid macho business. It really is a bit passe now.'
And he didn't know what to say to that. Shirley's got the right
approach."
A TV set by the fireplace has been on all afternoon, with the
sound off. Betty Ford and Tony Orlando are doing the Bump.
"Extraordinary," Elton says.
Elton was speaking cheerfully, no hesitating, as if it's al
finally a relief.
Was the first experience a man or a woman?
"Um, when I was twenty-one, with a woman. The famous one."
Who?
"The famous woman . . ."
Oh, the "Someone Saved My Life Tonight" woman. And how soon
after that the first man?
"Um. The famous woman frightened me off sex or so long that I
don't remember really. I think it was probably a good year or
two."
People have speculated that Elton and Bernie Taupin had been
lovers.
"No, absolutely not. Everybody thinks we were, but if we had
been, I don't think we would have lasted for so long. We're more
like brothers than anything else. The press probably thought John
Reid [his manager] and I were an affair, but there's never been a
serious person the whole time. Nobody really. And it's very
dangerous to have relationships within the circle you work in. It's
too close for comfort. Bernie's whole situation is up in the air as
well."
A lot of readers will go, Wow.
"Well, I don't think so, there shouldn't be too much reaction
but you probably know those things better than me. Nobody's had the
balls to ask me about it before. I would have said something all
along if someone had asked me, but I'm not going to come out and
say something just to be -- I do think my personal life should be
personal. I don't want to shove it over the front pages like some
people I could mention. To be on the front of newspapers with my
tongue down somebody's throat. That's really appalling. I'd like to
have some children, but I don't know if the time is right.
I just want to settle down and sort of be lazy for a while. There
are a couple people back in England. I do have a crush on somebody
but I can't say who it is, somebody I met two or three times who is
American. Yes, I think she told me that she's American. She has
children but I go for older women. Listen, Miss MacLaine would do
me fine but she's already happily set up."
Tinkly sounds of a pinball machine, that started a minute ago
from the dining room, stop now. John Reid, Elton's manager, puts
his head in the door. "When you're ready . . .," he says
brightly.
"Awright," says Elton in a Bugs Bunny falsetto. Sighing and
removing his glasses, he rubs his weary eyes and then, for the
first time, turns to level them squarely on his visitor. Without
glasses, they're blue.
"But getting back to this personal thing of meeting someone --
as soon as someone tries to find out about me or tries to get to
know me, I turn off. I'm afraid of getting hurt. I was hurt so much
as a kid. I'm afraid of plunging into something that's going to
fuck me up.
"It's reached a point in my life when I get to my house and my
animals that I think, 'Who am I going to . . .?' I'm certainly not
going to bed with my horse! Ha, ha. And I think, Christ, I
wish I had somebody to share all this with . . ."
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